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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 09:54
If Mansford can't come up with anyone
 
How long does SS give him too? He can't be enjoying how this is starting to reflect on him now.

Apparently we may get an update today but over a week of complete silence with no movement isn't giving me much confidence right now unfortunately.
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fcblackpool Posted on 20/02/2020 09:57

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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 10:23
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If Mansford can't come up with anyone
Total of his time here so far to me seems to be:


An ineffective fan meeting that seems to have silenced the SLO a little bit when you couldn't shut him up before that

TAM's portakabins for Squires Gate idea shelved along with TAM, nothing more at all on plans for the infrastructure that seemed imminent

Spent money on an odd rebranding 'Backin' what?

Climbing up towards the top six of the league when he arrived, 16th now

Manager quickly started to lose his way, doing weird things that you wouldn't associate with someone so experienced. Not really seeming to care any more

Weird transfer window where it wasn't clear who was in charge of what

Put some flags up

Crowds holding up around 7.5k on the back of goodwill, but not increasing as they'd have liked. Started giving away free tickets now

Managerless already and seemingly with no replacement


Maybe left a bit exposed by coming back from a stint abroad into a club that needs some work putting into it, but the right work. Trying to do too many things early on that aren't really appropriate for the situation? Just feels a bit off. We were questioning some things at the start of the transfer window and there's not been many clear answers.
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Dennis_The_Menace Posted on 20/02/2020 10:54

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There's a meeting with the fans groups on march 7th, just announced on new site.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 10:56

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Maybe starting to recognise that communication is key then. Although if it's just fans asking if they can have better referees again it'll be no further on.
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lythamkev2 Posted on 20/02/2020 11:12

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They should put the next Blackpool manager to the fans and vote as to who the custodians and fans of the club would wish to have as there next manager as the present board we have donít seem to have much of an idea and are seemingly going round in circles this way the fans groups should arrange a meet with Mansford and the board and draw a list of potential targets this way all fans and the board are happy with the appointment rather than get some body like Murphy at Rochdale who has only been in senior management for only a very small period of time because with out the right fans club it would appear the club at present would be taking a backward step in appointing some one who has had only very little time in management.[;)] ITBOTWT
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 11:22

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No they shouldn't. Definitely do not do that under any circumstances.

The experience should come from someone who has made a football boardroom career out of making sound appointments based on strong leadership and a vision before anything else.
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fcblackpool Posted on 20/02/2020 12:26

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We'll see what the update brings, but it all seems a bit haphazard doesn't it?

I'd have thought that the board would have an A,B,C plan on their approach, and not just on the manager who they knew was going well before he went.

I genuinely don't think the board know what they want.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 12:45

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If they do then they're hiding it well so far.

At best when they do come out of it the other side hopefully it will be recognised that they've had to work through experiences that should be dealt with at source and avoided in future where possible.
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MACSEASIDER Posted on 20/02/2020 12:55

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Let's get Karlos the Jackass back in to find us a new manager [^][^]
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 13:01

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He picked some good ones tbf. It was just the backing them and not falling out with them part that he struggled with.
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testmatchspecial Posted on 20/02/2020 13:04

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lythamkev wants a fans vote, that's a good way to get 50 different people for the job.

Don't understand why the O has it in for Mansford, have him and MM, OG etc moved on to making him a patsy now?

Got more faith in the Board that some of the numpties posting further up this thread.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 13:35

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MM and OG nothing to do with this thread. Not yet anyway.

I want to understand why at the back end of the year it looked like it just needed a bit of due care and attention rather than ending up with what's become months of uncertainty and just playing at it.

I didn't want Grayson sacked, just for him to stop doing mad stuff with the team that wasn't working as there was going to end up being no future to it as it was. I wanted to know what was causing it and I actually thought that's why SS had flown in to have a word, after the moves made in January. Get things on track again, simplify it all, mediate etc.

I didn't want 12 in 12 out in January just because 'it'll add competition for places'. And some new players seemingly not ready or just ignored which pointed towards different approaches to recruitment going on.

I didn't want a full week of silence after a terse one-liner on the club site saying a manager has been removed. And a current mood coming from fans that it's not exactly feeling like a welcoming place with much clarity about it right now.

That can all change, and has to if you're running it as a business, but confusing at the moment.
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fcblackpool Posted on 20/02/2020 13:59

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The cover of Private Eye this week is interesting. It has the new Tory cabinet listed by job with a picture below the name of a poodle. I'm kinda thinking thats what the board are looking for in a manager. Certainly the apparent control of the Jan window suggests that since signing were made early when you'd think Grayson was still the manager in more than name only.
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Clark-son Posted on 20/02/2020 14:15

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LyingKev his even more Thicker than i first thought. Can his posts get even more stupid?
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Adams_Kebab Posted on 20/02/2020 14:40

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Totally agree Poolfc, the wages we are throwing about could have been utilised on tying down new deals for Gnanduillet and Tilt.

The January transfer window and the managerial search and the alleged dismissing of Evattís credentials have got me thinking that Ben Mansford is p1ssed up on power... just a shame at the moment itís not helping the Club.

Time will tell.
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martonmosser Posted on 20/02/2020 14:50

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Donít know why you have dragged me into your drama testmatchspecial? Iím more than happy with Ben Mansford and the work heís doing. When the time is right, a manager they deem appropriate, will be appointed [^]
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 15:01

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Matt Scrafton
@matt_scrafton
The main points to take away:

- process is underway, but no timeframe
- prepared to make an unpopular decision with fans if the board feel it's right
- important to respect club's history of 'high octane' entertaining football
- new man is likely to work as head coach

Link: Matt Scrafton update
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 20/02/2020 15:08

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Head Coach?

Does that mean weíre stuck with the haphazard / clueless recruitment policy then or are we planning on bringing in someone who actually knows what they are doing?

DOF?
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 15:26

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At guess Mansford does the deals with the agents that he likes (he says that he's the 'proverbial poacher turned gamekeeper' on his linkedin page) and then the replaceable head coach has to try to organise it all into a team. Like a DOF but not in name.

That's OK if that's the angle as it would go some way towards explaining some of the things we've seen so far.
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fcblackpool Posted on 20/02/2020 15:27

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I thought BM had dismissed the DoF idea as he was more or less that himself?

And I can't see any manager coming in and having a dominant position, making decisions etc, not with BM as he is.

It doesn't seem normal to me.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 15:30
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If Mansford can't come up with anyone
It isn't normal. It should all be clearly defined roles, but at least it would point towards why Grayson seemed to be having some sort of dirty protest with his tactics, formations and team choices if he wasn't happy with the direction but wasn't willing to walk away without his three years guaranteed.
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testmatchspecial Posted on 20/02/2020 16:36

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martonmosser, only a matter of time before you and your mates turn.
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Adams_Kebab Posted on 20/02/2020 16:53

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I reckon Ben Mansford is the type of guy who has two beers then wants to arm wrestle people.

Not into this modus operandi right now because looking at his January signings so far and the rest of the dogs breakfast he needs to drop the ego.

Probably why he dismissed Evatt having a chance... canít have someone coming in thats a big fans favourite, Cos if it goes wrong the fans wonít look at Evatt first...
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straightatthewall Posted on 20/02/2020 17:22

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Not a perfect idea. Bring in the players I want and let you take the blame if they don't work...
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fcblackpool Posted on 20/02/2020 17:42

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SATW, it's worse than that. Undermine a manager by forcing him to accept his signings and then expect the manager to play happy families. Chances of that working are somewhat less than 100%. Always going to fail and will do so again and again. Which poses bigger questions.

Nothing we can do though, sadly.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 17:57

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We don't really know if there's an ego yet like that, or just trying too hard to impress and sell an idea (the comments at the end of the January signing announcements, particularly the Madine one) but if there is then I'd expect it will get parked quickly if it ends up having any direct financial and divisional status implications in the wrong direction.

If he is our new DOF in disguise though and they are going with a head coach approach, then hopefully if Tommy Johnson tells him that he's spotted someone or he comes back with a list of targets, then he has a decent level of actual football knowledge and not just for doing the deal. Grayson didn't seem to show much in the way of urgency in filling the gaps and starting to put things right from his side of it once this kicked in, and he was the one best qualified, so it will need some control.

A proper Director of Football/Operations structure with a head coach who doesn't have to mess about with paperwork CAN work but it's got to be nailed right down from the start with no grey areas.
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onlyonepool Posted on 20/02/2020 18:13

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I really don't think Grayson had much input in the January wheeling and dealing and I said that all along while many on here insisted Grayson was going nowhere as he was being backed with so many new signings.

Johnson and Mansford were pulling all the strings and everything is in place for a proper coach to mould things together and Grayson had already shown enough to prove he wasn't that man.

All the names mentioned as his replacement are proper coaches and maybe not the big name that a lot of our fans seem to want. I still think there is a solid plan and I've got faith that things will come together for a real promotion push next season.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 19:12
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If Mansford can't come up with anyone
It reads like Mansford wanted Grayson out of the door early on regardless and his own way, the uncertainty has spread from there and has caused the last three months to go like it has and some of the things that we've seen and become frustrated by on the face of it.

It's costing Sadler a few quid so I hope it can be recouped by this new approach already and scrapping what he tried to put in place last summer.

Link: Think this probably rules out Sam Allardyce
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scratchingshed Posted on 20/02/2020 19:31
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Well after reading that lot Iíam pretty much convinced now itís going to be someone unpopular with the vast majority of fans. [xx(]
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 19:33

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Unpopular can quickly become popular. That's not the really issue. It's more the trying to using a sledgehammer to crack a nut thing, like we saw with the transfer window.
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martonmosser Posted on 20/02/2020 19:59

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Always going to be difficult to integrate 11 new players into a squad....... was a big school boy error by Grayson IMO
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 20/02/2020 20:17

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Was it Grayson?

It appears that recruitment was maybe not part of his remit...Well not in January.
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onlyonepool Posted on 20/02/2020 20:22
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Graysons error was having no formation, pattern or tactical nous, I doubt the big turnover was any of Graysons doing. I'm sure the hierarchy wouldn't have thrown 12 players his way and then sacked him 2 weeks later without plans already afoot to move him on.
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fcblackpool Posted on 20/02/2020 20:38

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It wasn't Grayson's error though.

You don't let a manager sign 11 and then sack him before the signings have a chance to gel. That's madness. Ergo.....
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Owain_Glyndwr Posted on 20/02/2020 20:46

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Good thread this btw

To me this Mansford character is acting like hes a DOF when in reality hes just an ex agent pretending he knows what hes doing

The longer this manager fiasco goes on the more i know i was right about Grayson
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MARK_GT Posted on 20/02/2020 20:52

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None of them have covered themselves in glory. We've been misfiring on and off the field since that first fan's forum event in the upstairs bar. I remember the interim board reacting in disbelief to my suggestion they tear up the mushrooms' seat reservations and start again from scratch. There have been a lot of mis-steps along the way but luckily this season all it should result in is an expensive lesson. We can't afford another botched managerial appointment so fingers crossed BM gets it right.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 20:54

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Agree OG. I've been frustrated at absolute basic football stuff not happening as it should when on the face of it there should be no excuses, you've been frustrated at players making mistakes, but I feel we're starting to see why. The underlying mood to it.

I'm thinking most of this from Mansford was reserved for giving us a sermon on the mount type of thing whilst sat next to Nathan Jones as his new head coach but he's been caught out by it not happening immediately.
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braymarina Posted on 20/02/2020 20:55

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What management fiasco?

Looks like due process to me and a guy who put up the money working with the guy he trust to run the club to find someone who can take their idea of club DNA forward and make it a success.

Everything else is just so much noise made by people who need to know and need to know today because its their club.

Well the club belongs to SS and he has every right to run the process his way.

Good luck to him.
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fcblackpool Posted on 20/02/2020 20:59

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I fear the motivations of us fans and that of Mansford are wide apart.

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Owain_Glyndwr Posted on 20/02/2020 21:05
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If Mansford can't come up with anyone
Signing 12 players and not giving them time to gell with a manager who you then sack with no idea of whos coming in

Fair enough sack Grayson on recent performances but at least have somebody ready to come in instead of just letting the club freewheel to nothing

The club needs a manager now

Oh and thats a manager not a fcuking head coach

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voyeur Posted on 20/02/2020 21:08

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A lot of the interview sounds fine, it sounds like a thorough process to get the right man for the long term. But it is all undermined for me by the apparent truth that Jones was offered the job. And Mansford refuses to talk about him. Or anybody else. So he could well be simply glossing over a series of XXXXXX ups that we have got away with so far cos nobody is in post yet. Hopefully, they are slowly getting their act together and will do a thorough job, without rushing, having rushed with Jones.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 21:10

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Hopefully if/when his lad 'Hecky' eventually shows up then it can all calm down but it looks and feels a bit all over the place.

It's important to remember that we've not invited any of this on to ourselves, it's been put on us fans and for one I just want to understand why as it's been a hell of a nosedive. Some frustrations but we were in 4th place at the start of December on the face of it, even in a transitional year, and looking forward to maybe a couple of key January signings to boost the numbers for the second half of the season, plug a couple of gaps that hadn't been filled properly like a left winger, a midfield presence etc.

And then all hell broke loose.
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voyeur Posted on 20/02/2020 21:24

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And Larry was sent to the gallows. [^]
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poolfc2011 Posted on 20/02/2020 23:45
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I'm wondering now if he was made to feel like the odd man out and that's why we started getting what we were getting from him.

Also wonder how Dunn's arrival plays into it too with the other coach budged out to the youth team. Was it Grayson's idea to try to protect the interest with Nuttall or was it a club appointment so that whoever comes in has to work with him and that's the way it is?

I expected this season to start off difficult and get easier in terms of stuff like this. Not more confusing to the point where you can't work out who's behind what.

Just hope whichever 11 is sent out on Saturday against Wimbledon finishes the game as an 11 and can get a result, defy Mansford's flight of fancy, boost morale a bit.
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voyeur Posted on 20/02/2020 23:53

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Ben Mansford was brought in to oversee and since he arrived things have become confusing and gone downhill. A reasonable PR exercise today but no answers to crucial questions, some of which were not covered at all.
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fcblackpool Posted on 21/02/2020 15:25

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Out of interest what are Brett's main duties?
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voyeur Posted on 21/02/2020 15:29

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Sadler's eyes and ears probably.
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fcblackpool Posted on 21/02/2020 15:35

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In which case you wonder what he is reporting back!

And you wonder what Sadler makes of it all.

Mmmmmm.....
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poolfc2011 Posted on 21/02/2020 17:16

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If a picture tells a thousand words, maybe like this...

Link: Not happy
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fcblackpool Posted on 21/02/2020 17:39

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We all just wanted us to be a normal club. Not too much to hope for,
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poolfc2011 Posted on 21/02/2020 21:26

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Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
Thereís no favourite. Thatís where it is. Short list now. And they could meet someone they like

Link: Wakey investigates
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