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poolfc2011 Posted on 16/02/2020 12:05
Edited On: 16/02/2020 12:16This is what a new manager will inherit
 
A lot to sort out despite all the movement in January. Gnanduillet's contract for starters.

End of loan 31/5/20
Jak Alnwick
Marc Bola
Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall
Ben Heneghan
Taylor Moore
Connor Ronan

End of contract 30/6/20
Myles Boney (+1 year option)
Yusifu Ceesay (+1 year option)
Liam Feeney
Armand Gnanduillet
Mark Howard
Chris Mafoumbi
Chris Maxwell
Michael Nottingham (+1 year option)
Sean Scannell (+1 year option)
Jay Spearing
Ollie Turton

End of contract 30/6/21
Nathan Delfouneso (+1 year option)
Jamie Devitt (+1 year option)
Ryan Edwards
Ben Garrity (+1 year option)
Ryan Hardie (+1 year option)
James Husband
Sullay Kaikai (+1 year option)
Calum Macdonald (+1 year option)
Gary Madine
Nathan Shaw (+1 year option)
Jack Sims
Matty Virtue
Grant Ward (+1 year option)
Adi Yussuf (+1 year option)

End of contract 30/6/22
Teddy Howe (+1 year option)
Joe Nuttall (+1 year option)
Jordan Thorniley (+1 year option)
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CrazyBrabin Posted on 16/02/2020 12:11

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Excellent research and summary Pool. This serves to highlight that the new gaffer has some serious challenges ahead with regards to the squad. However, it does also present an opportunity for him to build a squad that will compete for promotion, rather than him being lumbered with average players who are on long term contracts. The future is bright ...
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1953 Posted on 16/02/2020 12:13

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There's not really that much to sort out - Gnanduillet is the only major problem.

The loanees will go back and be replaced by others.

Maybe a new one-year offer for Spearing, Turton and Feeney but if they decline, we move on.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 16/02/2020 12:18

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Mmm. Just remembered some others and added.

Three different managers' attempts at a squad at the moment. A busy summer to come to find clarity in it.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 16/02/2020 12:27

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This for me is where a clear vision needs to be established and the Board and Owner need to potentially be more open-minded about how they view progress.

It's OK for fans to adopt the "We finished 10th last season , so that means this season we should finish 9th or higher" mentality I suppose, but not when it comes to those running the show.

You can look at January in a couple of ways...

1. It was fantasic and progressive to see so much action in a transfer window after what we have witmessed in the past.

2. It all felt a bit desperate and seemed to lack any clarity in terms of who we were recruiting and what they would add to the squad.

It's difficult to know whether that was down to Grayson or whatever the over-arching recruitment approach might be...but it certainly wasn't right.

So for me, a clear vision, the patience and confidence to implement it properly and a focus on bringing the fans along to the party is what is needed....

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poolfc2011 Posted on 16/02/2020 12:40

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Agree. I don't know what January was but it didn't feel like they were all on the same page with it to me. I would say the loans that came in late on were Grayson choices and everything else he just went with.

Whoever comes in has got to be in full agreement with all the football people at the club he has to work with from day one. And vice versa. Can the new guy find something in those sat around doing nothing or out on loan to cut down on the churn or will it be a new brush sweeps clean.

It would help if the club had a vision of how the team should play and what the aim is. A DNA type of thing like the FA are trying with England. Rather than a scattergun.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 16/02/2020 12:55
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The loans were certainly Graysons choice..

"It would help if the club had a vision of how the team should play and what the aim is. A DNA type of thing like the FA are trying with England. Rather than a scattergun."

This^^^

Is exactly what I'm getting at...I'd rather see us (initially) measuring our progress against how well we are recruiting for specific 'roles'...And how well we were moving towards developing the style of play we require, rather than recruiting for the sake of it and demanding a Play Off spot "Or Else we've Failed"

It's possible we wil have to make compromises in style initially...So that needs to be communicated to the fans...Ambiguous statements about "Entertaining Football" aren't really helpful, especially when fans put their own spin on how and when it will happen.

As it was, I expected this season to develop that way...But if anything we've possibly set ourselves back...Maybe I'm being too negative, but I'm struggling to see how we go from where we are to Promotion Winning Team in a season...

Who knows, a new broom may come in and flick a switch (it sometimes happens), but I just can't see it...It still feels like a full rebuild job to me.

EDIT: I should add to that, I do think we've got some good players, but itls hard to see quite how they fit together...There's no obvious spine, we're heavily reliant on the Loans etc..
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voyeur Posted on 16/02/2020 17:42

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The loans players are the better players. If you want to get better quality players at this level you seem to have to borrow them from higher up for a season or half. Get some solid dependable L1 players on contracts, and then borrow the best players you can for a whole season if possible. Know exactly what you are getting. Thorniley has hardly played. Who sourced him and why did we knot know where he would play? Need to be better thought through than that. And you need a settled side, we haven't. We started with Heneghan, Moore and Husband in a back three, strangers to each other. With Feeney at right wing back, and he is not a defender of any description, and MacDonald making a rare appearance on the left. Midfield all strangers. Most of the team leaves at the end of the season. Start again. It's not all Grayson's fault, is it?
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insider Posted on 16/02/2020 19:56

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The opening post is an excellent summary of where we are. Thank you.
I'm guessing we are fairly average in terms of numbers of players falling into each category for a League 1 club. That's the way of the world.
Bifster.
It's a bold assumption that the January signings and loanees were completely Larry's choice. Isn't it more likely that Larry said I need to fill position, X, Y and Z go find me someone?
As for the next window again we are likely to bring in, and benefit from loanees, of which there will be a decent choice if the the loaning club thinks it will benefit their player. That will depend on our manager and style of play.
Permanents will depend on our wage structure primarily and to a lessor extent the manager and the feelgood factor around the club.
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20togo Posted on 16/02/2020 20:03

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"It's OK for fans to adopt the "We finished 10th last season , so that means this season we should finish 9th or higher"

Not sure, I ever phrased it like that but even if I did that's not the whole point I was making. The key word which I think I've generally used with that remark and is missing there is "progress". And whilst Grayson is here I failed to see any progress and it is in that context that the quote applies.

And it is in that context that I believe Sadler decided enough was enough and sacked Grayson. So no I disagree with you about those "running the show". They saw exactly what the majority of fans saw!

I really don't see how you could suggest otherwise!
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Owain_Glyndwr Posted on 16/02/2020 20:05
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Its a decent OP to be fair

And i kinda agree although im not sure how much of a say Grayson had during this window

Be strange if they were all his signings for the club to then fire him

I made the point at the start of the season that our squad was poor in quality and dull to watch and whilst you cant really blame the new owner the summer window was a bit of a mess

The summer is when you should be building your squad not January
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 16/02/2020 20:14
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"It's a bold assumption that the January signings and loanees were completely Larry's choice. Isn't it more likely that Larry said I need to fill position, X, Y and Z go find me someone?"

It's a very bold assumption....And not one I'd be making...

That said, normaility for me would be a Manager and Board agreeing specific named targets (not "I need a left sided midfielder, please find me one")...If you went down the secondary route, you might find you end up with 17 Left sided defenders on the bench and not quite solving your lopsided team!!

Whether it's Larry or someone else...IMHO the "Flailing around aimlessly" description just about summed up how it felt to me.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 16/02/2020 20:26
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20's, I don't intend talking at cross puproses with you. Believe it or not, I wasn't referencing anything you had said[rle]

I was talking in general terms and with reference to the future, not the past.

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Tikataka Posted on 16/02/2020 21:22

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Looking at the starting line up which played against Peterbrough - we included Virtue, Macdonald and Kaikai. And were on a decent run and amongst the play offs. A good team was taking shape at that point.

Accepting KaiKai picked up an injury but we seemed to blow a promising position really quickly.

One decent centre half and maybe some pace and we'd be right but seemed to mess about with selection, chaos ensued and not convinced we left the month any stronger than we were before it.




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poolfc2011 Posted on 16/02/2020 22:00

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That's how I feel Tikataka. No need for Grayson to over complicate things and now not be in a job, but he did. Still not sure why as they're league one players and it should have been kept simple for them.

They lined up in a similar system yesterday as at the start of the season and looked like they were on course for a 3-0 win more than a 2-1 defeat before Heneghan saw red. Attacks down both wings and midfield moving the ball around well. And Gnanduillet & Madine were looking OK as a pair. Basic stuff but they were enjoying themselves in the first 40 mins. Even after the switch to 4-4-1 all the players looked like the instructions were clear as well. Just ran out of steam in the end by being a man light and with the conditions, and left a couple of gaps in front of the defence that Rovers made the most of twice by being able to use all their subs later in the game.

A week ago against Southend they looked all over the place at times, even though they won it with a penalty. And regardless of who's new and who isn't. Ronan didn't have a clue what he was supposed to be doing on the left but then nor did Bola. Turton didn't know whether to cover in the middle or be a right back and in the end he stood on the ball and gave them a free hit that they missed. Players out of position and unsure of their job doesn't help to cut out basic mistakes. You can be a limited squad and still get around it by being organised.

So whoever comes in has got to learn quickly what these players can do and find a set up that works for them. And before that, someone at the club have half a clue about what their next choice is based on, and it be for football reasons.

Use to the end of the season to work out what the gaps are and then recruit for those gaps in the summer. No sympathy contracts or doing deals for the deal rather than the player just because it sounds good or it keeps an agent happy. It's good to make sure the club has a squad that can survive manager change at any level, but if you're not going to have a proper DOF calling the shots then everyone's got to be talking and trust each other.

If you look at the second half of that list at the top that's what pre-season training will start off with. As it looks like they're going to wave Gnanduillet goodbye like they have with Tilt.
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20togo Posted on 17/02/2020 02:03

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Whether you were referencing me individually or not it is still a point I have consistently made.

And the fact we finished tenth last season is a refence to the past. It's a starting point. Your post still seemed to me to be justifying what has happened this season.
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20togo Posted on 17/02/2020 05:09

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that's a good post 2011.[^]

Whoever is appointed, and I've no real opinion on who it should be, has to quickly assess the players and how he wants to play. We're not in any danger of relegation so in effect he's got a couple of months to tinker with things and get things right.

Hopefully he can then hit the ground running for the start of next season and both the fans and our owner will see a much more positive and consistent team. Yeah, I accept that Larry didn't have that but at no point did he ever really look like he could turn things round and get it right.

As I'm on the other side of the world at the mo, I don't know if Larry has made any comment on his sacking. Would be interesting to read if he has.
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s88bfc Posted on 17/02/2020 06:31

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No different to any other new manager who takes over a club mid season, always a lot to do and sort out,a big part of the job.
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straightatthewall Posted on 17/02/2020 07:31

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Sime clear and simple views here; and implementing them would improve us quickly in my view.

Football is essentially simple. Yet so many try to make it very complicated for no obvious reason. The oldest problem for a manager is square pegs in round holes. Some times thatís inevitable because of squad and financial limitations, but not always. What concerns me most is that the January window saw a lot of activity and we still have the same issues. That points to a lack of a plan and a lack of leadership across the management structure (on and off the pitch).

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straightatthewall Posted on 17/02/2020 07:53
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 08:34
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"Whether you were referencing me individually or not it is still a point I have consistently made.

And the fact we finished tenth last season is a refence to the past. It's a starting point. Your post still seemed to me to be justifying what has happened this season."


My post certainly wasn't justifying what has happened this season...quite the opposite in fact!

What I am saying is that there has been no sense of any coherant plan and that everyone concerned have to take some responsibility for that.

The recruitment in January felt like it was a bit haphazard and lacked any kind of real focus. I'd have expected Manager and Board to have agreed specific targets that would improve the existing squad...Ideally that would mean "We want player A because he brings X, Y & Z to the Club, has a great work ethic and fits our profile" etc...

So looking to the future, I would like to see a much more cohesive plan between Board and Manager and a means by which to measure ongoing progress that reflects the plan.

It's fairly obvious to anyone that we will (at the most basic level) have a mind on the league table..., But I'm sayin that we also need to be clear about what else is required and make sure we are also developing as we expect. We may also have to sometimes be patient, if we are not able to recruit the players we need....So that may mean a temprary compromise on style to match the ability of the team we have avalailable.

Then you want to understand how our fitness and training regimes are contributing to our objectives for expansive football...OK each manager may have his own ideas, but then it's up to him to outline and convincve the board as to how his methods will deliver, rather than simply "Trust me I know what I'm doing"

Right now, as an outsider looking in, this last year has very much felt like a Club with no real cohisive plan as to where it is going..That's understandable, because there has been an awful lot of transition, but it's something we need to het pinned down...The recruitment in particular is not right!
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voyeur Posted on 17/02/2020 08:42

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We dont have the midfield issues we had before January. Dewsbury-Hall and Ronan were good loan signings. And we will need similar loan signings next season.

We also have another striker who seems to know where the net is. Moore seems ok as a stop gap following the inevitable exit of Tilt. We just signed too many players to assimilate, and we didnt need all of them. But we have decent players and cover across all positions, pretty much, til the end if the season at least.

I think the main problem is the way the players have been managed. Heneghan has gone backwards at an alarming rate. MacDonald has been mucked about. The keepers have been mucked about, is Maxwell better than Howard and Mafoumbi? There's been no consistency of formation, and a lack of clear positive thinking.

Everything's been rushed. Larry's appointment. Signings in the summer. Signings in January. Nathan Jones lined up in two minutes. No strategy, no thoroughness of approach. I want Sadler to do well, he's on a steep learning curve. Take you time mate, slow down, check out the options, build carefully. Identify the right people, wait for the right people. It's a quicker route to success than rapid turnover.
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straightatthewall Posted on 17/02/2020 08:58

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Wise words Voy [^]
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 09:13

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Spot on Voy...[^]



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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 09:43

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So who do we think they'll try to keep of those out of contract?

Would offer Gnanduillet a three year contract immediately but that it hasn't happened yet shows the lack of a football CEO maybe. You'd be on things like that straight away in your first month coming into the job as it represents a chance to secure an asset for the club. He carries on maturing like he is but if signed up to a new deal and someone would have to offer big money in the summer or next January. And it's cheaper to keep him than to replace. Maybe they think they have with Madine already but not sure.

Feeney will be looking for a two year somewhere at his age as a winger and with his record this year because he's been used as the only route to goal, but not sure it'll be here. Maybe a 1+1.

Spearing the same. Would like to see more height and presence in midfield, cut to the chase. The league one teams that do well nowadays all have that and even the better defensive midfielders can score goals from open play, and spot a through ball. I like Virtue and his energy and he does chip in but he's becoming the victim of circumstance with the manager changes and hasn't been able to become one thing or the other yet.

Turton not a bad alternative to Howe for the right back role but if it is Jones then he uses full backs as his wingers in his usual formation of choice so that may affect the thinking.

Got to get better on the goalkeepers. Settle the position down. One of the sure signs of a XXXXXX season when you've used four or five. Need a big lad who talks to the defence and dominates his area. Make the opposition think they'll have to do well to get past him just by looking at him. You won't find perfection at our level but you don't have to, can be a journeyman. Just someone who'll give you 46 games so you can focus your budget elsewhere. Wouldn't use a loan on it.
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BFCGULF Posted on 17/02/2020 09:52

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Voy [^]
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Completecontrol Posted on 17/02/2020 10:17

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We will have at least 17 players under contract going into the close season compared with only 6 in some previous seasons.

What ever the quality of those players it is at least some improvement on times gone past.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 10:27

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I don't feel like I have enough of a feel of the squad to comment in any deatil...Itls hard to know whether we have seen the best of certain players for example, but to pick on a couple you mention...

Gnando, I think the ship has probably sailed and so it may well be out of our hands...Promotion might have changed that...A new managerial philosophy might change that, but I think we are gearing up to say goodbye.

Feeney, I'd certainly be looking to secure his services for next season.

Spearing...This is possibly where I struggle...My personal view is that our midfield won't be right until he's the third best player of a three...Probably a bit unfair, but we are too lightweight for me.

I felt similarly about David Perkins..

Not that Spearing or Perkins are bad... I just think the fact that they are shoe ins and you struggle without them, tells it's own story about the overall quality of the Midfield.
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hillymister Posted on 17/02/2020 10:41

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In my view the biggest "signing" we missed in January was to get Gnanduillet signed up on a 2.5 year contract. Yes he may well move in the summer but at least we would get a fee for him as it stands we get nothing. He is the only goalscorer (in double figures) we have !!!!
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voyeur Posted on 17/02/2020 10:45

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I think the Gnanduillet horse has bolted. He's left once before. A Championship club may well take a chance on him given he's a free agent.

Feeney, Spearing and Turton I would probably move on, I think. Out with the old. It means building a whole team from scratch almost. Feels like we've wasted a year.
The McPhillips players have been the backbone of the team this season but we need better and we need freshness.

I would probably sign Alnwick. Unless a better option is available.

We don't have many players contracted for next season who would automatically hang on to given the choice. And players like Tilt and Gnanduillet will have been frittered away.
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bfcpete Posted on 17/02/2020 10:48

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Have we even offered Gnanduillet a new contract?
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 11:12

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If they have it hasn't been made public, and these things usually come out one way or another if they're imminent.

Agree that it's a chance to refresh and move on, but only if done properly. To see all those goals just walk away and not be replaced could end up in a relegation if the rebuild is not taken seriously. There's got to be a plan.

It looks like Bowyer could spot a lower league player, and on an Oyston budget. If he decides to give up on being a manager maybe we could swap him for Tommy Johnson in the scouting role.
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voyeur Posted on 17/02/2020 11:34

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Isn't Bowyer out of work?

We could do worse than him in the manager role.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 11:52

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Work with Dunn until the end of the season whilst the new board sorts its @rse from its elbow?
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 12:02

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"Work with Dunn until the end of the season whilst the new board sorts its @rse from its elbow?"

That sounds like a very sensible idea.
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voyeur Posted on 17/02/2020 12:38

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Scratt Mafton's latest article is disturbing:

Blackpool WON'T consider Barrow boss Ian Evatt for managerial vacancy, while ex-Luton boss Nathan Jones has doubts
Barrow boss Ian Evatt won't be considered for Blackpool's vacant managerial post, The Gazette understands.

By Matt Scrafton
Monday, 17th February 2020, 11:13 am

The Blackpool legend, who made over 200 appearances for the club as a player, would be interested in talking to the club.

But it's believed the hierarchy at Bloomfield Road are not holding a traditional interview process.

Evatt's Barrow side are currently top of the National League table, four points ahead of second placed Harrogate Town with a game in hand.

In his second season in charge at Holker Street, Evatt has Barrow on course for a first return to the Football League in half a century.

Nathan Jones remains the bookies' favourite to take the Blackpool job, which was vacated last week when Simon Grayson was sacked after just seven months in charge.

It was reported last week that Jones was Blackpool's first-choice for the role, but it's understood the Welshman has doubts.

The former Luton Town man is reluctant to relocate to the Fylde coast and is still receiving a payoff from his last job at Stoke City, where he was given the boot in November of last year.

Paul Heckingbottom, who worked with chief executive Ben Mansford at both Barnsley and Leeds United, is currently the bookes' second favourite to take the job.

Looking like a dog's breakfast.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 13:12

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Feels that way doesn't it from the hints being dropped. When you have the font of all knowledge Alan Nixon telling everyone before the weekend that they are in for Jones but he's not too sure about it then you don't want them to be barking up the wrong tree for too long, or grabbing at the first thing that moves after a knockback.

I thought when SS flew in for the Gillingham game and then Grayson was removed the day after that we were only getting to see the sharp end of what's been planned in for a while. Maybe it is imminent and they're going to throw a sudden curveball at us like the Spanish fella from that oddball rumour was circulated a month ago? Who knows. Can only remain interested in the speculation until it's sorted and then get behind whoever it is I suppose.

With Evatt you can't just pretend to meet for a pint and a chat on the sly when it's someone already in a job. And if you're going to approach people rather than inviting them formally and picking the best one, then you have to be absolutely sure that that it's your leading candidate and you get your man. And if there is any doubts, or they know they'd only be doing it just because the fans like him, then it would be right to leave it be for all involved and remove that uncertainty.

Presumably Sadler didn't buy the club because he thrives on having chaos every six months so this change really needs to be for a football reason. Even if it does comes down to Mansford picking a mate. If he has more than one, pick the best one not just the one with the agent with the best commission rate.
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voyeur Posted on 17/02/2020 13:30

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Sends a bad message to Evatt surely? We will interview Heckingbottom, and offer the job to very slightly more experienced Jones, but not you. We've made our minds up.

Wouldn't be surprised if he snubbed us back at a later date, tbh.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 13:33

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The more I think about it the more I'm struggling with it...Heckinbottom is an out and out loser...Why is he anywhere near the shortlist?

The bulk of his experience is him being shi7
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 13:53
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Possibly voy, but who knows in football. It changes all the time. I do think once it got past last Thursday morning and no formal approach had been made to Barrow for permission to speak to Evatt then it wasn't happening. They might not be a football league club yet but he's still on contract there and you'd still have to go about it the right way first and to be sure about it.

As for Heckingbottom, he'll know Ben Mansford from Barnsley and he might be well thought of as they had some success there together after they lost Lee Johnson (Taylor Moore's gaffer) to Bristol City and he stepped up. So it'll be a 2+2=? thing that rumour I reckon.

Could be something in it but then again Mansford has flitted around a few clubs now and worked with different coaches and managers. I'm sure Steve McLaren turned up in Tel Aviv when he was there as well but he hasn't been linked, yet. Or that Christiansen fella who was Leeds manager briefly as well, who I think is represented by the same agency that Mansford worked for before he became a chief exec.

Guessing Sadler brought him in to share knowledge and contacts but just hope it's all in line with what suits BFC.
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fcblackpool Posted on 17/02/2020 16:21

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Only one of the three names is potentially in with a chance (wrong word I know) imho.

I think Heck would have been done by now if it was him.

Evo won't really have been considered in depth, you'd have thought.

So that leaves Jones and if he's not named this week, then you'd think/hope will be others not mentioned too much.

Surely the board must see that the last 2 windows have been somewhat scattergun chaos and that it's important to have the manager in place to formulate the next windows requirements and plan in advance. So, to me, the idea of Dunn doing the caretaker until summer seems folly, as does any caretaker unless in line witha No 2 who will step up in June- Warnock and Thommo would fit the bill. Essential somebody who is hands on to oversee the transition from this season to the next.

Of course Mansford may be asked to take over the helm and get the best from his signings.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 18:08

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FCB, you speak about the board as though they arenít involved in the decision making process. Surely they have to shoulder some responsibility for the scattergun approach?

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fcblackpool Posted on 17/02/2020 18:12

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I'm asking them to learn from the last 2 windows and try to get some sense of normality and cohesion into it's strategy.

Amazing that with the people on the board and their experience in the game that scattergun was allowed to be repeated. Then again, the interim were the dog'd bollux weren't they?
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 18:32

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I could be wrong, but I'd guess that the interim was fairly self-serving...I suppose the new board need time to get to grips with things, but I presume they must have had some input into the January recruitment.
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20togo Posted on 17/02/2020 18:36

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If Jones has doubts about the job then I would think he's the wrong man for it.

Heckinb doesn't inspire me either. So who does that leave of those discussed? Evatt? Sure he lacks experience but sometimes you have to take that risk. Every manager has to start somewhere in the league. And being frank starting at Blackpool isn't starting at the top.

I doubt he could do much worse than Grayson so what are the negatives against appointing him? Maybe his lack of contacts in the game.
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20togo Posted on 17/02/2020 18:53

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A lot of other good posts on this thread including yours bfc3.[not a dig, just an acknowledgement] although personally I don't need to know about training and fitness levels.

Am I wrong or don't we now have a director of football? Is he or has he been responsible for recruitment?
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 20:15

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Ben Mansford says that there won't be the DOF that Simon Sadler was talking about now he's here and that he'll work with these two that were brought in:

Head of Recruitment: Tommy Johnson
Head of Technical Scouting: Jonathan Gibson

Plus whoever the manager is on players and transfers.

But it felt a bit like everyone was just doing their own thing in January to me. Maybe Grayson didn't fully trust the process, or they didn't trust him, or he had them all like a puppet on a string moving players in and out whilst not really caring too much what happened, but something felt off from the start with it. Added to the dodgy wonky formations on the pitch, the individual errors, the defeats adding up and then the news we got last Wednesday and it makes you wonder what's been going on since November. It wasn't all rosey in the garden before that as we know there's a lot to sort, hence the list of players at the top, but it's still not what I expected even for a transitional season.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 20:57

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I'm not sure I need to know about training and fitness levels 20's and I wasn't trying to suggest fans would?

What I meant was the Board ought to be setting those standards and expectations, rather than simply giving a Manager free reign and trusting them to do the right things.

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fcblackpool Posted on 17/02/2020 21:11
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Bift 18:32, the interim was self serving, beyond doubt. And maybe this one is too.

Fans flocked to put their faith in Boluks and Hat On, maybe the fans didn't see the underlying motives.

They didn't with the O's ; still flocked to be adored and to support.

Maybe, given fans have been wrong on a couple of occasions they should be slightly more careful in their thinking?
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 21:18

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BFC3 -I think that sort of thing would be happening by now if we did have a proper DOF since the summer. But we've got this so I think any vision that's created for how things should be done will likely come from them stumbling across a manager who introduces new ideas that work whilst he's here, and then they rob them and decide that's the future template.

Maybe that man is Evatt in that regard, but if they go for the same sort of a approach that they have with new players brought (other clubs making available for transfer, and out of contract frees) then I don't think we'll see many proper attempts made to pursue managers already in a job. Unless they get desperate or someone phones up on the sly and makes them aware of a nominal release clause, which feels like what happened with KO and Appleton wanting to get away from Portsmouth.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 21:20

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It's very early on Founts....I'm trying to keep my cynical hat off, but doubts are slowly creeping in.

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fcblackpool Posted on 17/02/2020 21:25

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Indeed Bift.

Where are we realistically?

SS has bought the Club cheap (no doubt).

He is dragging into the 21st.

He is making the Club comparable to others in the league.

There's gold in them there hills.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 17/02/2020 21:30

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I don't necessarily think you need a DOF to set aspirational goals for the new Manager as to how we would like to play the game.

And we musthave the ability within the existing set up to at least understand how we can measure progress and assess the Managers performance outside of results on the pitch?

Surely?

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fcblackpool Posted on 17/02/2020 21:35

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A DOF should be a half way house, balancing what the board want and want the manager does too. Practical.

It's seems, face value, the board is imposing onto the playing side. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 22:05

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That's what Sadler was talking about when he first came in until he met the new CEO. So he must have had a gut feeling that having someone focused on developing a plan to direct the football for him would be a good start, and maybe a head coach rather than a manager. Someone to get right into the roots of it all and make sure things like a reserve game is used properly rather than the gaffer ignoring it and giving all the senior players that day off, all the stuff like that.

But we are where we are now. So I think the hope will be more just trying to find someone who can come in and work with the chief exec and other staff and squad. Cause no hassle. Which could be why the talk is about experienced managers only. That should have been Grayson, at least until everything became more settled, and it isn't already so what happens next.
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fcblackpool Posted on 17/02/2020 22:36

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Then isn't the new man just a yes man?

THe CEO outranks the manager, again.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 17/02/2020 23:11

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Everyone has a boss somewhere but it's got to work better than what we've seen since November.
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fcblackpool Posted on 18/02/2020 09:57

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You can't have a bloke on the board dictating transfer targets (it seems obvious to me that Jan's signings were done this way) and expect a manager just to get on with it. There needs to be an arbitrator to balance the board and managers wants. I am not convinced we have that.
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poolfc2011 Posted on 18/02/2020 10:17

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I'm not either, but that's what has been put in place. And it's all gone downhill since to this point already in a couple of months.

Unless Grayson genuinely believed in some of the baffling things he was trying to do with the team like going without signing a proper left winger in January and increasingly having a lopsided set up that was being easily exploited every game. And unless he genuinely believed that signing Grant Ward would make things better, when the squad already had a load of other Grant Ward's in it already, then all isn't well and now he's out of the door already it's going to be a process of elimination now to work out the source of the problem is until you can see things are sorted.

We don't even hear from the SLO now since November after that fans meeting at the club either, when you couldn't shut him up before that.
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 18/02/2020 10:22

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Itís difficult FCB, because what it really needs is someone with a footballing brain who has the interests of the Club very much at heart.

In the past we had Sir Jim who could act in an advisory role.... And you knew that he 100% genuinely held the interests of the Football Club at heart.

For me that becomes even more critical when the owner is overseas and new to the game....

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voyeur Posted on 18/02/2020 10:44

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Oi FCB, Sadler knows what he's doing. Too many self appointed experts on here. Just let him get on with it eh? [;)]
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fcblackpool Posted on 18/02/2020 14:42

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voy, in fairness SS is trying to run the club from afar and is someone new to doing that. That must to difficult, not least because he won't have a first hand feel for what's going on day to day, so is left to his 'Generals' to report.

One reason I wanted someone like Warnock as caretaker is not just to see the first team through to the end of the season, and not just to let someone like Thommo settle in and do his own due dilly on the task ahead, but to give a hand's on appraisal of where the Club is and what need to be improved on. This sort of report can't be got from someone in the board, nor a manager who will have their own agenda.
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straightatthewall Posted on 18/02/2020 16:54

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Maybe there's an experienced football club chairman out there who's looking for work?
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fcblackpool Posted on 18/02/2020 17:31

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Ridsdale?
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voyeur Posted on 18/02/2020 17:45

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There's one who took us to the Premier League.

FCB, just wondering why on one board you're telling people to let the professionals get on with it, and on this one you're telling the professionals what to do?

At least use different names. [;)]
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fcblackpool Posted on 18/02/2020 17:54
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Because we have no choice but to let the clueless professionals get on with it. That's what Mansford is isn't he, a professional, right?

Sometimes I wonder if we've got Rick Stein in to do us beans on toast.
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voyeur Posted on 18/02/2020 18:15

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So it's ok to discuss it on this board?
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fcblackpool Posted on 18/02/2020 18:19

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By all bean...err, means[;)]

Hardly posted on the other and only started when someone posted how good SS was to sack Grayson THEN look for a manager. I felt the need to highlight the hiring of SG before TMc was potted as not being honourable (the term used by the poster).
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BFC_BFC_BFC Posted on 18/02/2020 18:48

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FCB...

I think we may have got Rick Stein in to sing Opera, Pavarotti to unblock the toilet and Plumber as head chef in the restaurant.
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fcblackpool Posted on 18/02/2020 18:52

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...and Grayson to manage the team[:D]
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