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pompeyloyal Posted on 21/06/2012 22:14 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Edited On: 21/06/2012 22:15 Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message

cough cough goal aside like 1) hes shown everyone he`s very unfit 2) he displaced a fit striker who looked good/hungry in previous 2 games 3) generally putting fitter players noses out of joint as they get pushed further down the pecking order
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pfcdaz Posted on 21/06/2012 22:47 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Better he gets 80 minutes v the Ukraine to get some sharpness than bring him in against someone good for his first minutes of the tournament. Played badly but still had to be in the right place to score the tap in and he can only get better in the next game
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stayinupforever Posted on 22/06/2012 07:30 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Shouldn't have brought him back in.It could be argued after his mouthing off at the camera in South Africa that he's part of the previous problem with the squad.Could upset the growing team spirit and is likely to get even more frustrated/booked/sent off as the tournasment progresses.Play Carroll and Welbeck instead with good wingers.
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I8SFC Posted on 22/06/2012 09:55 He is a coont	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Notice how he is saying nice things about the fans now after slagging us off in South Africa and elsewhere. Last good game was Croatia in 2004 ffs
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blueshark Posted on 22/06/2012 11:13 He is a coont	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I'd have him in the starting 11 everytime. Horrible chav git mind.
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appleton_out Posted on 22/06/2012 13:29 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


He's massively overrated, but when the alternatives are Wellbeck, Carroll and Defoe then there has to be room for him somewhere. It's a shame he's unable to reproduce the raw, exciting form he showed as an 18 year old. He can certainly pick a pass though, I think he'd look a lot better with a couple of pacy wingers to bring into the game instead of the current donkeys we're persisting with. If Roy isn't going to deviate from a primitive, defensive 442 I would have thought we'd be more effective with a big target man up front, it's a shame Crouch is on holiday.
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CountVonCount Posted on 22/06/2012 14:34 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


FFS Its bad news for hair transplanters and syrup vendors. Who wants to look like theyve got the 1998 derby winner on their bonce? It may look 2 bob but it cost him a lot more.
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pompeyloyal Posted on 24/06/2012 09:34 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


should rooney even be over there? he needed to be fully fit NOW,not after we are knocked out ffs hodgson`s taken defoe & rooney,one with his head all over the place the other well off the pace fitness wise.........grant holt anyone in form,fit & hungry, rooney should be used as a sub
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roysiv Posted on 24/06/2012 09:38 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


If you really analyse our three matches, Man U 's 3, Rooney (1match) Young & Welbeck have been well short of their premiership standard, especially Young.
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rebuildthetricorn-coonts Posted on 24/06/2012 10:08 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


What sort of message does it send to the players who worked hard in the first two matches for the granny shaking scouse git to just get in the team, OK so he scored, but it was not exactly goal of the tournement. Now the person who flogged him that XXXXXXing hair thingy, now theres a conman with some talent. Link: Fit ?
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B_army Posted on 24/06/2012 11:12 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Of course it didn't, you don't leave your best player out of the team and Rooney is the best player. Since his debut he has scored more goals for England than anyone else. The inexperienced young England forwards will of welcomed Rooneys return. Hopefully he can provide the link between the midfield and the attack. Also he brings a fear factor to the opposition, come on England we,ve got a 50/50 chance of getting through and have already shown under Roy that the players are responding to his tactics. A win on pens for me
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appleton_out Posted on 24/06/2012 11:28 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Crouch's goals/game ratio for England pi55es all over Rooney's. And as good as his domestic form is for Man Utd, you can count the number of good games he's had for England post teenage years on one hand. He benefits from playing in a generation where we haven't produced even a half decent international striker in a decade, he'd be lucky to make the bench of our 96/98 teams.
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blueshark Posted on 24/06/2012 12:06 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Crouch is what Graham Hick was to Cricket @ International level, against mediocre opposition he fills his boots. Against the better teams he's XXXXXXed. Carrol over Crouch everytime.
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appleton_out Posted on 24/06/2012 12:25 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Carroll's XXXXXXed against better teams, mediocre opposition, crap teams and pub teams. He's even crap at Fifa 2012. Crouch has rarely ever been picked against top international teams, but when he does get the nod he scores more often than not.
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DeepBlue Posted on 24/06/2012 12:52 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Carroll's still a kid really in international terms, and would be playing for the U-23's if we still had them, whereas Crouch is not going to improve any more. I'd rather fill my bench with potential improvers than a 32 year old reaching the end of his career. I also know who I would prefer to mark if I was a centre-back ... Crouch is a pussycat compared to Carroll whose strength occupies defenders all the time.
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blueshark Posted on 24/06/2012 12:52 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


The reason Crouch has rarely been picked against better opposition is because the coaches know he's not upto it.
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appleton_out Posted on 24/06/2012 12:58 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Eriksson, McLaren and Capello always did get it right in the big games Crouch is 31, btw. FWIW I agree with playing the youngsters and bringing them on, but unfortunately Carroll will never be an international quality footballer even if he plays until his pony tail reaches the floor.
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DeepBlue Posted on 24/06/2012 13:09 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Possibly not, but you can't know that for certain. Any young player that someone thinks is worth 35m may just have some scope for improvement, and the Newcastle player looked like a potential international even if the liverpool one hasn't. Carroll reminds me of Mark Hateley in terms of style and potential. Hateley underachieved as an international but wasn't out of place in that arena.
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pompeyblue1980 Posted on 24/06/2012 20:33 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Well he is having a shocker tonight. Well off the pace and doesn't look fit enough.
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southseacasual Posted on 24/06/2012 20:37 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Agree well off the pace 1st half..let's hope he a gets a second wind cos Woy won't sub him
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pompeyloyal Posted on 24/06/2012 21:39 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


rooney is frustating in the sense you/we all know he`s a better player than he`s showing AGAIN FFS
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southseacasual Posted on 24/06/2012 22:16 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


legs of lead and unfit...a passenger for most of the game. Should have been an impact sub with 30 to go
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pompeyblue1980 Posted on 24/06/2012 22:44 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Roy's big mistake, bowed to the pressure to bring him straight back when after the way Carroll played against Sweden that shouldn't have been the case. I bet the coont gets fit enough to give it all for his club. Not played well for England since he was a teenager.
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southseacasual Posted on 24/06/2012 22:50 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


It's the Beckham syndrome all over again. Into a major tournament with your top player only 90% fit. He should've been used late on. He could not withstand a single body challenge in any 50/50. Spent the game on his 8rse
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pfcflag Posted on 24/06/2012 23:37 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


agree with pompeyblue. rooney should never be automatic choice, he was diabolical tonight and should have been subbed at half time
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andybart Posted on 25/06/2012 00:40 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Unfortunately other than Gerrard everyone in front of the back four was very poor today.
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appleton_out Posted on 25/06/2012 05:02 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I'm no fan of Wellbeck's but I thought he was having a pretty decent game until he was taken off. As for Rooney, that's yet another major tournament where he's been totally anonymous. It's laughable to think it was only 3/4 years ago that newspapers were having polls about who the best player in the world was and a lot of people in the game(notably Bobby Robson, RIP) chose Rooney! He's regressed even quicker than Owen did. He's not even got the excuse of an injury to hide behind for this tournament either. He should have been fit and fresh and taken the game to the Ukraine/Italy defences. Something(well, a lot) wrong mentally with the fat coont IMO. Overall though it's been a woeful tournament for England. Some favourable results have masked the insipid, negative, dour displays we've served up and we've been outplayed by 3 of the 4 teams we've faced, none of whom are actually much good. At least we've got another 4 years of Roy's 'organised', 'compact' and 'resolute' England to look forward to
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dodgycurry Posted on 25/06/2012 07:36 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


there we have it, another "golden generation" of english players flops again in an international tournament. every tournament shows we have no world class players but, unfortunately, hysterical media headlines and enormous pay packets delude the players ( and some fans) into thinking they are. The defence was outstanding again last night to be fair. They, and the woodwork,saved us from a right tonking. The midfield and attack though were totally anonymous and toothless throughout the tournament. All in all, not surprised we were knocked out.
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southseacasual Posted on 25/06/2012 07:38 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


I also have to wonder what Chambo did wrong not to get a run out in this game. Milner produced 1 decent moment for England and did his defensive duties quite well, whereas Young was a liability to Ashley Cole. Standout players were Terry and Johnson and that alone tells you the ambitions of Engerland
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la_igualada Posted on 25/06/2012 09:57 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Thing is England are not as good as some people think they are no matter who is in charge of the team. For me Rooney is head and shoulders (no pun intended )above anyone else in this current team in terms of being able to play the ball, when was the last time England had a midfield player who could put his foot on the ball and pass the ball about? .. England were simply beaten by a better footballing side and given a real lesson in in technique and how to pass a ball. Maybe the problem lays in too many foreigners in the premiership but then that argument has been bubbling away for the past 20 years! End of the day England just can't produce the quality. Having said that, a very impoertantly let's not forget that RH has only had a couple of months or so to get the team together which he has done imo, they wouldn't have reached this round with Capello in charge, again that's imo. I am quite encouraged that he is bringing the young players in such as Wellbeck, Carroll, Henderson etc who I think are good players and can only get better with experience. Let's see how he changes things about for the WC qualifiers and then see how these young players develop. Or simply just learn how to take penalties
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appleton_out Posted on 25/06/2012 10:07 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Hopefully McEachran and Wilshere will be at the heart of the midfield for years to come, both technically excellent and can get stuck in too. The best English midfielder for keeping possession last season was Noble at Swansea, but he's not fashionable enough. I think Adam Johnson would have made a real difference last night. Young and Milner were/are dreadful. I thought Carroll looked quite decent too when he came on, it's a shame for him that he had Rooney as a strike partner.
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pompeyhighlander Posted on 25/06/2012 11:04 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


..and as David Conn reminds us, the FA supported the Premier League as the England team was to improve as a result.
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blueshark Posted on 25/06/2012 11:07 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


AO, agree with all that. Milner just looks like a donkey @ this level. Young-did he turn up. We were shocking.
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Pompeyblue55 Posted on 25/06/2012 12:40 did the return of rooney do more harm than good?	Report Message \| Email Message To A Friend \| Reply To Message


Oh well can't moan a very avenge England team done very well to get this far...........Let's face it the Premier League is nothing if you take away the foreign players...........All round the best League in the world is the Bundesliga League in Germany...........They do things the proper way and the national team get results because of it so fair f..king play if they win Euro 2012...........They might be horrible c..ts but England,FIFA and UEFA could a learn a thing or two from them and football would be much better for it...........Trouble is all three are dodgy some where along the line which is very sad for football.
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